SUSHI - Software Update Service (Hyperlinked, Interactive)

dghundt

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I think the $30 per, if always optional, is a fine idea. Updating asterisk has always been a pain with problems like spinlock fixes, other things not compliling, etc. Good job!
 

jmullinix

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Fonality LOOK OUT--Here comes the FLASH.

Given the momemtum that this project has seen since last fall, it will happen.

I installed AAH and Trixbox for the first couple of years in this business. I never had an update go well. They went so badly, that I refused to update them even when it was a security flaw that was being rectified. To the newer folks in this industry, you just don't know how bad it can be.

Joe, Ward and Tom, I will do whatever it takes to help you reach those goals.

Keep the ball rolling and let me know when to send money. I now have organizational support that I can sell and cheaply.
 

thunderheart

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Wow!

Geez Joe, that's a big nut you're lookin' to crack there! But Brother I love a big thinker! I certainly wasn't thinking along those lines when I posted, but now that you bring it up I'll comment a little. Just for fun. :smile5:

You make a good point about marketing for instance. I spent many years at Nortel and they very intelligently kept people like me (engineers) well insulated from the the people that actually bought the products. There is no better way to draw the Thousand Yard stare from a corporate exec than to start talking about tech stuff. They had marketing guys for actually selling. These guys were a breed completely apart but I knew them and helped them often. You know, they'd trot us over to some meeting in Tokyo to show a bunch of stupid foils and blab on for awhile about the Black Magic. But then the Smilin' Boys would get their turn. Let me assure you a marketing guys biggest asset is his expense account. They'd roll us all over to some bar with a private room full of hottie hostesses, fill these corporate whales with all the raw fish and champagne they could swill and sing "Hey Jude" with 'em 27 times. Badly off key each time. Then they would repeat this process on subsequent nights until eventually, out would pop a juicy $100 million dollar contract. :D

Admittedly we weren't selling PBX's (the PBX guys at Nortel were kind of a joke) but I'm sure it works essentially the same way for any product line in any large company. On a smaller scale in every company.

So, if you are going to take these wankers on, you better bring either a really big wallet or a better idea. A LOT better idea. PIAF in my mind is certainly a better idea. By PIAF I mean to include LAMPA, FPBX etc. of course. I just think it's worth more than $30 a pop in an industrial strength version.

As for your other points ... documentation, this, that, and the other thing ... that's just a given. You don't even knock on the door without that. At least all the doors with the big prizes anyway.

I love your style though dood. Like the old proverb says: "The danger isn't aiming too high and missing the target, it's aiming to low and hitting it".

Dallas
 

markiper

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Sign me in...

I only have one system at home, and I am willing to pay that fee in order to make sure that updates go well when needed, especially when I have my parents living overseas connected to my PBXinaFlash server. Let me know where to sign up. This is an excellent way of giving back to this project, especially if you are using it and you have been satisfied with its performance.:smile5:
 

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I suspect it would be easy enough to add an additional password to whatever scripts you wanted to ensure the end user does not have access to. Perhaps some form of enter a password to get into update-source and it does a quick check thru a secure server... Will have to think about that but it could work.

Tom
 

ctsshack

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Love the ideal, I have no problem giving a little $$ considering how much value we get from PIAF.
 

gpfleging

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Seems reasonable to me. $30 a year as a defense to the wife whacking me when an update goes bad seems worth it...

Only request might be to allow for 1 production system and a test system for the $30 a year....
 

Alex728

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$30 won't even buy you a decent weekend out in this country...

I'd however echo the sentiments of those saying to either allow for a lab system or give a small discount on a second system (like having to get N+1 licenses where N is the number of servers)

if only also to entice newbies to actually have a test system whenever possible and not end up trying "new stuff" on their production system and complaining if it gets hosed, or even for the more techie types to use PiAF both at work and at home - hopefully leading to more hours of peoples time being spent evaluating and contributing to the project..
 

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Hi

There is nothing to stop you downloading and installing, playing with PiaF, you can have as many test systems as you like for free, and update-fixes will have been applied before you download and install, you just cannot run the update fixes on it.

$30 USD does not seem too much to pay to experiment with, it works out at about 3 gallons of Petrol in the UK,


Joe
 

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Sounds good to me. I haven't been very active on these boards, so this is a good way for me to contribute.

Mike
 

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$30 + (1*$30) = $60. Still doesn't sound too terrible for most folks. If you can afford a second system, then $30 probably isn't going to be a ShowStopper.
 

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Well, a second system might be a VM, but I certainly agree with you that $30 a pop is more than reasonable for what you get.

I've got some re-reading to do, but will updates for those that don't go with the subscription route be completely manual- the wget, make clean, make install variety?
 

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Yes and no. Our updates are considerably more complex than merely a download and recompile. We obviously are not going to cripple anything on any system. The SUSHI apps simply won't be available without a registration key. So... as you are today, you'll still be free to download and recompile anything at any time.
 

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.....Our updates are considerably more complex than merely a download and recompile.....

That's certainly an understatement. IMO for what it's worth, the update-scripts/source/fixes has been the crown jewel of PBXiaF, with enough history behind it now to make it a proven model. It's brilliant, and you, Tom, & Joe all pass.

For me (and what seems like most of us), I get enough value out of PBXiaF to gladly accept a pay model to ensure development of this brilliant update system. It's not forced, and I like the idea that it would support CentOS, Asterisk, & FreePBX. Not to mention from a user standpoint, the support will be coming from the community, making (hopefully) PBXiaF development beholden to its users, and immune from commercial influence (rhymes with modality).
 

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I would pony up $30/year for this great work. I would like to see more direct support for the various telephony cards though. Adding "setup-sangoma" to the mix would make me more confident that updates to the rest of the system wouldn't break my telephony card.
 

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Getting sample hardware to test with PBX in a Flash is an ongoing problem, and this funding will certainly help. I would hasten to add that Sangoma has been the hands-down, most generous contributor to the PBX in a Flash project, and we're working hard to include setup scripts just as you have suggested.
 

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Hi

There is nothing to stop you downloading and installing, playing with PiaF, you can have as many test systems as you like for free, and update-fixes will have been applied before you download and install

ah right - I didn't realise you also got the updates with a new ISO as well as the most current digium source code (although this all makes sense now)....

TBH I'd happy to pay for two (or more) servers anyway at current exchange rates!
 

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I would pony up $30/year for this great work. I would like to see more direct support for the various telephony cards though. Adding "setup-sangoma" to the mix would make me more confident that updates to the rest of the system wouldn't break my telephony card.

Currently we have the direct support of Openvox. They have permanently donated samples of most of their hardware line and a few new super secret products to the project :cool: There are great sponsors!

One of the reasons we developed the A1200P/800p install program for PIAF was they sent us a fully populated card and provided us with some technical resources. You will see in the final version of PIAF 1.3 a "menu" that will allow you to add various Openvox drivers "out of the box" during the install.

Many of the other vendors have provided the project with support and we thank them for it. But we do need all types of cards permanently donated to the project so we can include them into our project schema. We like to test stuff on our own hardware prior to sticking it into the released code. This helps ensure a better SIT fit *Seamless Integration of Technology* :reddevil:

I would love to have some sample cards from all of the major suppliers to test and integrate! <shameless hint>

Tom
 

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