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New PIAF Forum + More

Discussion in 'Wish List' started by wardmundy, Feb 19, 2012.

  1. wardmundy Nerd Uno

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    As you know, we continue to search for a better forum and overall support solution for PBX in a Flash that could more directly involve more of our current users and gurus.

    As part of that effort, we are trying out spruz. Please have a look at your convenience and give us your feedback below.

    And, no, we do not yet know whether we could migrate all of our existing content to the new platform. But... we're working on it.

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  2. myitguy Guru

    Initial impressions, the site is slow. It's taking me 10-15 seconds to move between pages.

    Out of curiosity, have you looked at upgrading your vBulletin license to the new Publishing Suite?

    What are you looking to accomplish, maybe someone can offer some insight into a platform that has worked for them...
  3. wardmundy Nerd Uno

    We're using the free Spruz offering currently. We will switch to the paid offering in a few days and have been told that the performance is much better. We'll see.

    As for what we're trying to accomplish, we want a more current platform that integrates all of the components into a single entity. This includes something equivalent to the Nerd Vittles WordPress blog that could be focused on PIAF and expanded to other contributors. Also on the wish list are more hierarchical forums, wiki, video tutorials, chat rooms, private discussion groups for contributors and gurus, messaging, calendar of events, Google Analytics, and more decentralized management so that different contributors can take responsibility for different components.

    Haven't really looked at much from vBulletin because of what we found to be extremely serious security issues in the platform. We've actually rewritten a good bit of it to keep the bad guys out. But that in turn has made upgrades all but impossible. Attempts to work through the security concerns were met with righteous indignation, then stonewalling, then an acknowledgement that the platform never could be really secure on shared hosting servers because each user is essentially running as root insofar as Apache is concerned. Never mind the vulnerable code base! SO... no, vBulletin is not on our radar.

    As a first step, we've now moved the new platform to http://pbxinaflash.us in order to simplify access. We see this as a gradual migration and, if we encounter insurmountable issues, we can certainly move in another direction. It is a very crowded field now. We also could simply stick with what we have.

    The good news is that development on the platform appears to be fairly straightforward. I managed to stumble through just about everything in less than four hours. If you haven't taken a look around, please do and let us know what you think...

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  4. lgaetz Pundit

    Is there a mechanism to move the existing content to the new platform?

    *edit* I see this question was addressed in the original post. Kudos to WM for answering it again. Ward, you would be a good preschool teacher.
  5. wardmundy Nerd Uno

    Still working through that one. They've done it for another platform so it's a question of whether it would be worth it for them or whether they will let us do it ourselves. They both use PHP and MySQL as I understand it.
  6. lgaetz Pundit

    I went thru a forum fork a few years ago on another project. It was a poorly organized transition and resulted in a loss of momentum. I have more confidence in our PIAF overlords.

    I think it is worth a lot to have the content ported over, it makes things a bit confusing when you direct people to the old forum for answers. There are also those of us with personality disorders who evaluate our self worth by our post count.
  7. drmurdoch New Member

    xenforo

    The vBulletin 3 forums have been pretty good.
    I've migrated my forum to xenforo. We love it.
    Much more interactive. Very good on resources.
    vBulletin 3 is OK. We really disliked vB4.

    If you gave some specifics of what you wanted in terms of the above statement ... I might be able to help.

    There is a robust migration path from vBulletin to xenforo. All posts will easily be transferred, including everyone's passwords.

    There is an excellent bridge to wordpress if you wanted to bring nerdvittles and pbxinaflash.com together. There is a supported bridge between xenforo and Mediawiki if you wanted to maintain the mediawiki wiki.

    The spruz blog seems almost as good as Wordpress. But NerdVittles.com seems to be doing fine from what I can see. Not sure I'd want to change much.

    The spruz forum seem a bit slow and clunky. Not sure how good the searching would be when there were 1000s of posts.
    I found the wiki to be very slow.

    Maybe the demo server is slow ?

    I was surprised to see a non-integrated search for the spruz site. Blog, Forum, Wiki searching seems entirely separate.

    In terms of "Better, easier Support" that you are looking for .... I don't see anything in the .us site that would facilitate that.

    The lifeblood of http://pbxinaflash.com is the forums. I'm not sure the spruz forums is up to the challenge.

    I'll try to learn more about what you are looking for.
  8. lowno Guru

    I would be most concerned with the SEO aspect of a migration. I am sure a good chunk of your new visitors each month come from posts that are indexed by google. It would be interesting to know the percentage of visitors from google searches like that. You would essentially loose most of that link juice if the url's change.
  9. blanchae Guru

    Where is the new forum being hosted? It is very slow.......
  10. wardmundy Nerd Uno

    Thanks for the feedback. Performance has certainly been a major issue. And we can add an inability to migrate from vBulletin as a serious deal-breaker. We'll take a good, hard look at xenforo. Thanks for the feedback and suggestions.
  11. da1Bear Guru

    Ipb

    Ward, I have a great deal of experience (more than 7 years running a forum with several thousand members) with Invision Power Board (IPB), and would be willing to assist if you would like to take a look at that platform.

    They take security very seriously, have an active developer community, and the performance is excellent, even on inexpensive shared servers. And you can import from vBulletin.
  12. tm1000 Guru

  13. drmurdoch New Member

    The spruz URLs are quite horrible. A friend mentioned that as well.

    Although Google says the URL doesn't matter as much anymore .... well ... SEO friendly URLs are still relevant.
  14. drmurdoch New Member

    Anyone have any non-spruz suggestions ?
    :)
  15. Ramblin Guru

    Still use (old) Forum for posting?

    I'm not sure if the old forum is still considered active or if all new posts should be going to this new forum.

    Can you clarify?

    As for feedback:
    - yes, this version is painfully slow hence my hope that I can continue to use the old forum
    - Is it safe to assume you have looked at and decided against phpBB?
    - This new forum looks nice, but the looks don't justify the slow response time so I'd take functional over pretty any day (in a forum :) )
  16. rossiv Guru


    Ward would know the definitive answers to these questions - This is just what I know from my perspective.
  17. wardmundy Nerd Uno

    Yeah. We've given up on spruz. Will try some of the other suggestions when we have some time.
  18. blanchae Guru

    Ward, When will the new "Forum in a Flash" server application be written? :biggrin5:
  19. drmurdoch New Member

    Right after PIAF Google Voice stable ! :)

    (AHEM, what I mean is ... Google Voice will never be stable as .. well ... Google keeps messing with it !)
  20. Ramblin Guru

    phpBB security flaw?

    Ward,

    I was told (above) that phpBB was rejected due to security concerns.

    I use phpBB.

    Could you share what you found about phpBB so I could either work around the issue or, if serious enough, find an alternative for myself?

    Ramblin

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